After only about a day of explaining what a wiki is (everyone liked that it was based on the Hawaiian word for "quick"), I set one up for them to use. The idea with a wiki is that you can easily create and edit simple website simply by typing into HTML forms.
On the editorial side, they took to it like wildfire. All of the sudden we had an entire quarter year of issues tracked, with special entries for the office supplies they needed, the phone numbers and e-mail messages of the photographers and a few angry missives from the editor about how everyone is missing their deadlines and needed to stick to the style guide.
The wiki was a hit.
The problem was: Swiki, the service that I decided to use because it was (a.) free and (b.) offered secure wiki sites, only available to people with a password. Apparently Swiki is notoriously unreliable, and, soon after the editors had taken to it like flies on spit (yes, I know the real saying) Swiki up and disappeared.
Since then I've been looking for an alternative, but the editors haven't quite taken to a new wiki with the same gung-ho attitude. In particular, I'd settled in with XWiki, which the salespeople and I have been using to track our calls on advertisers and to note what ads need to be designed. XWiki is great stuff and getting better all the time. In particular I like that you can turn pages into PDFs with the click of a button, and I like the way each page could handle comments.
Then, today, I finally got my codes for a beta test site at Jotspot, the "latest and greatest" think in wiki-stuff. I'd have started with Jotspot if they'd have gotten me a beta site sooner, but apparently they're doing it by hand. (JotSpot is a cool startup that's got original Excite developers involved.) The reason I wanted to try it so bad is that Jotspot is going further with little WikiApps than anyone else so far, enabling you to create forms and accept input, keep track of events in calendars, track your contacts and generally do some cool stuff. There's even a Customer Relationship Manager, which is a whole other quest I've been on for our sales office.
So there I was, tooling around in Jotspot, when I got an inspiration to check Swiki. Lo and behold, it was up again! I quickly cut and paste page after page from the old EditWiki to a new one I'd established at JotSpot. Then I created accounts and invited the editors to the new incarnation of their old wiki. So far, they're pretty excited.
The question at this point will be -- JotSpot or XWiki? Jot is slick -- you can add to a wiki page by e-mailing to it, which is interesting for, say, adding items that editors should read from the local paper or for writers to send in stories. It's also not clear how much it's going to cost when they get out of beta mode. It'll probably be more than a few pennies rubbed together.
XWiki, on the other hand, is more home-grown, but it offers page commenting, attachments to pages and other impressive features. It's still one of the better-looking wikis, and in a few short days I've gotten used to its syntax and some of its idiosyncracies. (It's one of the few wikis I've come across which doesn't use WikiWords. WikiWords actually lose their charm after a while, but they are handy for quickly creating new links and pages.)
More than likely it'll boil down to cost. If JotSpot ends up too expensive, or if the applications simply aren't worth it (so far I'm actually less than dazzled by the CRM, although there isn't one that has dazzled me enough to keep using it) then I'll probably switch back to XWiki. But I'm going to play with Jot for a little while longer and see if it takes with the rest of the crew.
Regardless, there's something to this wiki thing. If you've got a reasonably tech-savvy group that needs to share some text, plan projects and track changes to things, then a wiki might be worth a look.
5 comments:
Thanks Todd for this analysis. I know well XWiki & Jot (to tell the truth, I handle multiple XWikis in french and 1 Jot so I know better XWiki --see asmgolfbouygues.xwiki.com) and share your views in most of the point.
Jot is more "marketing driven " simply because the team can afford it with their $5M initial fundraising and their experience in marketing. (whereas the construction process of a CMS portal based on Jot it could be more fluent)
XWiki has more technical potential, i think :
* open-source with velocity as the object design engine, with is easier to use than the proprietary langage of Jot.
* developping and integrating APIs like Flickr and more others, (which doesn't seem to appear in Jot) These features will contribute to make the success of mass market applications.
To make it short, even if there is a higher barrier to entry, XWiki will bring you further. Hope Ludovic will be able to continue improving technical features and reduce the barriers in boosting the user friendly ability client path.
The more important is the ^pleasure of the team to use the wiki by the way...
Keep informing us about your comparison between the WikiEngines.
Olivier Seres
http://oseres.typepad.com
Ludovic:
Thanks for posting. I really do like your tool and I've totally gotten the sense that you're a small operation and you're working to integrate some interesting technologies, as Olivier points out. I'll say that I'm a big of a sucker for a slick interface (note that I'm using Blogger!), but I really like a lot of what you're doing.
One suggestion I have it that I'd like to see less of the XWiki interface when I'm working in the wiki -- in fact, I've thought of using a wiki interface to support my books on this site -- it'd be a lot easier to using Wiki-style tools for editing pages about my books than my old-school HTML pages, which were ugly anyway.
Also, Swiki had a great method for inviting users to the secure wiki, which would be a nice addition to Xwiki. The current way that you add users is perhaps a bit obtuse for newbies (and me, although I eventually figured it out).
I like the new database/look/feel that you talk about on your blog. If I can get it installed and get the hang of it, it might end up being the perfect backend for *this* site, where I could use a blog, access to wiki tools and even the presentation integration.
In any case, thanks for the kind words about the piece. I will keep updating.
Ha! You went for a service that provides expedited email support for users who donate the appropriate amount of cash :) Looks like they are going for the cheapest route themselves, hence the downtime and such. Good luck with that.
Thanks for your post about JotSpot and XWiki. I'm glad you're liking JotSpot so far. You mentioned that you were impressed by XWiki's comments and attachments, so I wanted to point out that JotSpot also includes comments and attachments -- in fact, we convert attachments to HTML and make them searchable. Please let me know if you have suggestions for how to make those features more easily available to you and your users.
Re: Olivier's comment about JotSpot using a proprietary language -- although we are not open source, we are nonetheless standards-based. You program in JotSpot using one or more standard languages and formats: XML, XPath, XSLT, Javascript.
I'm sorry to hear that you aren't dazzled by the CRM app! Please let us know what needs fixing, we're always trying to make our apps better.
Thanks again for your interest in JotSpot.
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